Friday, June 5, 2015

Transfer IRA funds to a 401k to purchase another business


http://www.mysolo401k.net/401k-business-financing/

Q:  I have one question: I don't want to contribute to the solo 401k plan at this time, but I just want to transfer IRA funds to the solo 401k to purchase another business. I am a sole proprietor and do not take an actual salary, but rather a draw. Will this qualify? Thanks!

A:  If you are looking to use your retirement funds to finance your own business, then the solo 401k will not qualify. Instead, the 401k business financing plan will. A solo 401k is for passive investing whereas the Rollover Business Startup 401k is for investing in one's own active business.

Please read the following post from one of my blogs that explains the difference between the two plans.  


Sunday, January 25, 2015

ROBS Not a taxable distribution





https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141105032412-361793377-irs-view-401k-business-financing?trk=prof-post

BACKGROUND: Ed, I am certainly not an expert so what I am telling you is just what I think.  If you cash in your 401(K) I believe you will be responsible for paying the federal income tax on everything you withdraw from that account.  In fact, I believe it is a required withholding when the funds are disbursed to you.  This will be at whatever tax rate you fall into.  You will not be liable for any penalty though, because you are over 59-1/2 years of age.  If you feel that you could get a better return by investing in a business, it might be okay but you should know that the taxes will be withheld when the check is issued to you.  Whoever this person is that you are dealing with should certainly be up front about the tax consequences of withdrawing from your retirement account.  Another way of looking at it is that regardless, you will have to pay taxes on it one day when you start using the money for this or any other purpose because all of your contributions to the 401(K) (and those that CPH made for you) were made on a pre-tax basis.  You should discuss the tax consequences with him and then make your decision.  You might also want to check with a CPA (like Greene and Dycus) - the company that CPH has worked with all these years.  I can get you their contact information if you need to consult with them.

ANSWER 1) The tax consequences that your friend is describing do not apply to our 401k Business Financing plan, referred by the IRS as ROBS 401k (rollover as business startup).  Your friend is describing the tax consequences that would apply if you decided to withdraw the funds from your retirement account.  Specifically, if you simply withdraw the funds from your retirement account, the amount will be considered income and subject to income tax (note: it would be also be subject to a 10% penalty if you were under 59.5 years old).  Our 401k Business Financing plan does not entail withdrawing the funds from your retirement account.  As a result, you will not incur taxes/penalties.  Rather than withdrawing the funds, our plan entails investing your retirement funds in your business via a 401k which allows you to invest your retirement funds in your business without paying taxes/penalties.  Our plan is an IRS-approved plan and moreover the IRS has recognized this strategy as a legitimate means to invest your retirement funds and fund your own business.  

ANSWER 2) You state below that you "could avoid paying taxes on the 401 K until selling such business."  In fact, merely selling the business will not trigger a tax obligation with respect to your 401k investment in the business.  As noted above, the strategy entails investing your retirement funds in your business via a 401k.  Specifically, you will hold stock in your business via a 401k.  If you sell the business, any gains with respect to this stock will remain in the 401k. This is similar to any other stock (e.g., Ford Motor Company stock, Home Deopot stock, etc.) that you might hold in your 401k and then sell where the gains remain in your 401k on a tax-deferred basis.  These amounts will not be subject to taxes until you withdraw the funds from the 401k.

Lastly, to learn more about what the IRS says about using one's retirement funds to finance his or her own business, click here.